Internet freedom?

[Spamvireslayer]

Is this for real?

Congress is now pushing a law that would end the free and open Internet as we know
it. Internet providers like AT&T and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard to gut
Network Neutrality, the Internet's First Amendment and the key to Internet freedom.
Net Neutrality prevents AT&T from choosing which websites open most easily for you
based on which site pays AT&T more. So Amazon doesn't have to outbid Barnes & Noble
for the right to work more properly on your computer.
Many members of Congress take campaign contributions from these companies, and they
don't think the public are paying attention to this issue. Let's show them we care -
please sign this petition today.



http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7450-6266401-Ia4AThVW9XH2Xev4UuzIbQ&t=2

[Patto]

Post by Spamvireslayer
Is this for real?
Congress is now pushing a law that would end the free and open Internet as we know
it. Internet providers like AT&T and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard to gut
Network Neutrality, the Internet's First Amendment and the key to Internet freedom.
Net Neutrality prevents AT&T from choosing which websites open most easily for you
based on which site pays AT&T more. So Amazon doesn't have to outbid Barnes & Noble
for the right to work more properly on your computer.
Many members of Congress take campaign contributions from these companies, and they
don't think the public are paying attention to this issue. Let's show them we care -
please sign this petition today.
http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7450-6266401-Ia4AThVW9XH2Xev4UuzIbQ&t=2

This link signs-in to a user with the name 'Heidi Hutchinson'. Use this
link to go to a neutral page
http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/index.html

[indigo]

Patto wrote:
http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7450-6266401-Ia4AThVW9XH2Xev4UuzIbQ&t=2

Post by Patto
This link signs-in to a user with the name 'Heidi Hutchinson'.

Huh. Wonder who that is? ;-)

[Redstone]

Post by Spamvireslayer
http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7450-6266401-Ia4AThVW9XH2
Xev4UuzIbQ&t=2

Post by Patto
This link signs-in to a user with the name 'Heidi Hutchinson'.

Huh. Wonder who that is? ;-)

Is she a bleach blonde? :-)

[Spamvireslayer]

Post by Redstone
Is she a bleach blonde? :-)

It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;)

[NotMe]

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| > Is she a bleach blonde? :-)
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| It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;)
|
/Charles Mode/

Clorine by any other name is ... whatever.

/end Charles Mode/

[indigo]

Post by NotMe
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| > Is she a bleach blonde? :-)
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| It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;)
|
/Charles Mode/
Clorine by any other name is ... whatever.
/end Charles Mode/

/Charles Mode/

Clorine by any other name is ... hydrogen peroxide.

/end Charles Mode/

[NotMe]

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| NotMe wrote:
| > "Spamvireslayer" <***@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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| > | "Redstone" <***@INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com> wrote in message
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| > | > Is she a bleach blonde? :-)
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| > | It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;)
| > |
| > /Charles Mode/
| >
| > Clorine by any other name is ... whatever.
| >
| > /end Charles Mode/
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| /Charles Mode/
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| Clorine by any other name is ... hydrogen peroxide.
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| /end Charles Mode/
|
H2O3 = Cl? since when?

[Redstone]

Non sequitur? Whatever? Pink elephant pants?

Are you sure you don't write for the Opus (i.e. Bloom County) comics? :-)

[indigo]

Post by Redstone

Non sequitur? Whatever? Pink elephant pants?

Are you sure you don't write for the Opus (i.e. Bloom County) comics? :-)

Hey, Non Sequitur is a funny comic strip in it's own right!

[Redstone]

Post by indigo
Hey, Non Sequitur is a funny comic strip in it's own right!

My little sister was just like Danae during her younger years. :-)

[indigo]

Post by Redstone

Post by indigo
Hey, Non Sequitur is a funny comic strip in it's own right!

My little sister was just like Danae during her younger years. :-)

Evil?

[Redstone]

Post by Redstone
My little sister was just like Danae during her younger years. :-)

Evil?

And crafty in a goofy sort of way. :-)

[Redstone]

True story... BB used to frequent a restaurant where I was chef!
Now, that doesn't mean that I have the slightest clue as to who he
is/was... Unless he's the guy who always wanted spicey chili or the
other one who came in for oatmeal for breakfast...

So does that make you Opus, Steve Dallas, or Bill the Cat? :-)

[Frog Prince]

"Charles"

| >>
| >> True story... BB used to frequent a restaurant where I was chef!
| >
| > So does that make you Opus, Steve Dallas, or Bill the Cat? :-)
|
| Oh, the choices! I'd rather be Bill, given those choices...


Bill the Cat lives at Charles' place but is he 7 or 17? The saga continues.

[Redstone]

Post by Frog Prince
Bill the Cat lives at Charles' place but is he 7 or 17? The saga continues.

17.. hands down. :-)

[indigo]

Post by NotMe
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H2O3 = Cl? since when?

The Heidster likely uses peroxide to get her "highlights", not chlorine.

[Spamvireslayer]

Post by indigo
The Heidster likely uses peroxide to get her "highlights", not chlorine.

Chlorine makes me green. That's a bad look.........

[indigo]

Post by Spamvireslayer

Post by indigo
The Heidster likely uses peroxide to get her "highlights", not chlorine.

Chlorine makes me green. That's a bad look.........

Well keep your mouth shut when you're swimming laps, dummy!

[D.F. Manno]

Post by NotMe

Post by NotMe
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| > Is she a bleach blonde? :-)
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| It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;)
|
/Charles Mode/
Clorine by any other name is ... whatever.
/end Charles Mode/

/Charles Mode/
Clorine by any other name is ... hydrogen peroxide.
/end Charles Mode/

/Charles Mode/

And a chorine by any other name is ... a dance hall girl.

/end Charles Mode/

[POP]

Post by D.F. Manno
Had enough? Vote Democratic!

Yeah, well, it doesn't matter how democratically we vote if the
machines
are rigged...

There it is ... Vote Democratic ... don't give consideration to
what you'll be voting FOR, especially in the overall, because ...
Vote Democratic ... and all will be well with the world. ...
Vote Democratic ... and vote for the whole she-bang, good and bad
alike, without care for WHAT is is you're voting FOR; just ...
Vote Democratic ... and all will be right with the world.
So, go ahead ... Vote Democratic ... or ... Vote Republican
... or Vote Anything ... and it will save you from having to
think, overcome your own ignorance, or have to even have any idea
what any of the issues are. Just ... Vote Democratic ... . It's
so easy, just one lever to pull; no thought required, not even
eyesight if you know where the lever is in the count. So ...
Vote Democratic ... .

It isn't the rigged machines; they aren't; it's the ... Vote
(your favorite party here) ... attitude that gathers in the
ignorants and machine fixer wanna-be's and unethicals alike. So
... Vote Democratic ... ; I'll vote with my mind and a knowledge
of the issues, thank you.

Pop

[D.F. Manno]

Post by POP
There it is ... Vote Democratic ... don't give consideration to
what you'll be voting FOR, especially in the overall, because ...
Vote Democratic ... and all will be well with the world. ...
Vote Democratic ... and vote for the whole she-bang, good and bad
alike, without care for WHAT is is you're voting FOR; just ...
Vote Democratic ... and all will be right with the world.
So, go ahead ... Vote Democratic ... or ... Vote Republican
... or Vote Anything ... and it will save you from having to
think, overcome your own ignorance, or have to even have any idea
what any of the issues are. Just ... Vote Democratic ... . It's
so easy, just one lever to pull; no thought required, not even
eyesight if you know where the lever is in the count. So ...
Vote Democratic ... .

... because the Republicans have been in charge for five years and _everything_
they've touched, without exception, has turned to shit.

[POP]

...

Post by D.F. Manno
... because the Republicans have been in charge for five years
and _everything_
they've touched, without exception, has turned to shit.
--
Had enough? Vote Democratic!

Wow! What a reason for a vote! It must be hard to breathe with
your head under all that sand; and I'm not supporting any
political party with that statement; I'm referring to your
blanket statement - you're definitely ... well, you know so I
don't have to spell it out ... or do I? Maybe I do; but I don't
feel like it. Not worth it. Sorry.

Pop

[indigo]

Post by D.F. Manno
... because the Republicans have been in charge for five years and
_everything_ they've touched, without exception, has turned to shit.

Even the repugnican voters are starting to realize that. New polls show that
something like 40% of Reps are considering voting for democrats in the
upcoming midterm election. The Dems may easily take back the House, Senate
is a tougher nut to crack but they should get closer to a 50-50 split.

[Redstone]

Post by Spamvireslayer

Post by Redstone
Is she a bleach blonde? :-)

It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;)

I see.. kind of like a "goldilocks" kindathing, eh? LOL! :-D

[Kenneth Brody]

Post by Spamvireslayer
Is this for real?
Congress is now pushing a law that would end the free and open Internet

[...]

Yes. See <http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/neutrality.asp>.

[POP]

No idea whether this is real or a big hoax: To date I have NOT
seen any links to any proposed legislation anywhere about this
subject. So, uhh, what's up?

Anyone have any reliably sourced, real data/references? If
there's anything to it I'd like to get involved, but I'm not
going to go off half baked without a valid, verifiable source for
the information. And so far I cannot find one. Anybody?

Pop

Post by Kenneth Brody

Post by Spamvireslayer
Is this for real?
Congress is now pushing a law that would end the free and open Internet

[...]
Yes. See
<http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/neutrality.asp>.
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[Spamvireslayer]

Post by POP
No idea whether this is real or a big hoax: To date I have NOT
seen any links to any proposed legislation anywhere about this
subject. So, uhh, what's up?
Anyone have any reliably sourced, real data/references? If
there's anything to it I'd like to get involved, but I'm not
going to go off half baked without a valid, verifiable source for
the information. And so far I cannot find one. Anybody?
Pop

I REALLY like the part about IPTV going national, instead of franchised per town -
makes much more sense.

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3601406

As one committee prepares to vote on a telecom reform bill that Democrats contend
lacks effective network neutrality protections, another panel opens hearings on the
antitrust implications of just such a scenario.

After opening statements late this afternoon, the House Commerce Committee plans a
Wednesday vote on the Communications Opportunity, Promotion and Efficiency Act of
2006 (COPE).

The centerpiece of COPE is national video franchising for IPTV providers such as
Verizon and AT&T. With the goal of increasing competition in the pay television
market, the proposal enjoys wide support on both sides of the aisle.

More controversial is network neutrality.

Republicans and Democrats are sharply divided over the best course of action to
ensure that broadband providers -- telephone and cable companies -- do not
discriminate against delivering content.

Verizon and AT&T have publicly stated they intend to charge content providers
different fees based on bandwidth consumption to access consumers. Republicans see
little problem with this tiered access approach and leave enforcement of network
neutrality to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

Democrats want the FCC's network neutrality principles, which have no force of law,
turned into statutory law. Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) is expected to propose an
amendment to COPE to do just that.

[indigo]

Post by Spamvireslayer
The centerpiece of COPE is national video franchising for IPTV
providers such as Verizon and AT&T. With the goal of increasing
competition in the pay television market, the proposal enjoys wide
support on both sides of the aisle.

Wait until Comcast and Cox and Time-Warner lobbyists start throwing millions
of dollars at Congress, this thing will get squashed like a bug. Even states
and individual counties will be against this since they negotiate free
channels to carry local programming as part of their contracts with the
cable companies.

[Redstone]

Post by indigo

Post by Spamvireslayer
The centerpiece of COPE is national video franchising for IPTV
providers such as Verizon and AT&T. With the goal of increasing
competition in the pay television market, the proposal enjoys wide
support on both sides of the aisle.

Wait until Comcast and Cox and Time-Warner lobbyists start throwing
millions of dollars at Congress, this thing will get squashed like a
bug. Even states and individual counties will be against this since
they negotiate free channels to carry local programming as part of
their contracts with the cable companies.

So basicly, it'll be like a fee on top of a fee. You pay big $$$ for
broadband, but you still end up with throughput like a dialup connection
unless you pay ANOTHER fee to use the broadband speeds that you already pay
for.

But then again, this does sort of sound like that old proposal to meter the
Internet. (Charge per the KB downloaded or uploaded.)

[NotMe]

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| "indigo" <***@spamcop.net> wrote in
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| >
| > Spamvireslayer wrote:
| >> The centerpiece of COPE is national video franchising for IPTV
| >> providers such as Verizon and AT&T. With the goal of increasing
| >> competition in the pay television market, the proposal enjoys wide
| >> support on both sides of the aisle.
| >
| > Wait until Comcast and Cox and Time-Warner lobbyists start throwing
| > millions of dollars at Congress, this thing will get squashed like a
| > bug. Even states and individual counties will be against this since
| > they negotiate free channels to carry local programming as part of
| > their contracts with the cable companies.
| >
| >
| >
|
|
| So basically, it'll be like a fee on top of a fee. You pay big $$$ for
| broadband, but you still end up with throughput like a dialup connection
| unless you pay ANOTHER fee to use the broadband speeds that you already
pay
| for.
|
| But then again, this does sort of sound like that old proposal to meter
the
| Internet. (Charge per the KB downloaded or uploaded.)

As I understand this the fee is paid by the provider for preferential
positioning/access.

[Redstone]

Post by NotMe
As I understand this the fee is paid by the provider for preferential
positioning/access.

As a whole sure.. but that in turn is pulled from the pocket of the
consumer. So that is likely to mean higher prices for broadband.

[NotMe]

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| >
| > As I understand this the fee is paid by the provider for preferential
| > positioning/access.
| >
| >
|
| As a whole sure.. but that in turn is pulled from the pocket of the
| consumer. So that is likely to mean higher prices for broadband.

Higher prices yes but what's more chilling is that only those with deep
pockets get a place at the table the rest may be in the room but relegated
to standing by the walls.

|

[Redstone]

Post by NotMe
Higher prices yes but what's more chilling is that only those with
deep pockets get a place at the table the rest may be in the room but
relegated to standing by the walls.

And/or be given the scraps from the table. On the extreme end of things,
the Internet ends up becoming a place for elite. (I know.. not likely to
happen.)

[Frog Prince]

"Redstone"

| > Higher prices yes but what's more chilling is that only those with
| > deep pockets get a place at the table the rest may be in the room but
| > relegated to standing by the walls.
|
| And/or be given the scraps from the table. On the extreme end of things,
| the Internet ends up becoming a place for elite. (I know.. not likely to
| happen.)

Or like the other media, access controlled by the elite.

[Kenneth Brody]

Post by POP
No idea whether this is real or a big hoax: To date I have NOT
seen any links to any proposed legislation anywhere about this
subject. So, uhh, what's up?
Anyone have any reliably sourced, real data/references? If
there's anything to it I'd like to get involved, but I'm not
going to go off half baked without a valid, verifiable source for
the information. And so far I cannot find one. Anybody?

This one has several links:

http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb060501-1.shtml

Including one bill which will "ensure 'network neutrality'":

http://wyden.senate.gov/media/2006/03022006_net_neutrality_bill.html

[POP]

Post by Kenneth Brody

Post by POP
No idea whether this is real or a big hoax: To date I have NOT
seen any links to any proposed legislation anywhere about this
subject. So, uhh, what's up?
Anyone have any reliably sourced, real data/references? If
there's anything to it I'd like to get involved, but I'm not
going to go off half baked without a valid, verifiable source
for
the information. And so far I cannot find one. Anybody?

http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb060501-1.shtml
http://wyden.senate.gov/media/2006/03022006_net_neutrality_bill.html
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Thank you Kenneth; much appreciated. Dunno why, but I was unable
to unearth anything verifiable by myself. I just like to be able
to line up my ducks, especially when I might use them for target
shooting <g>.
Now to go see what all the hoopla's about.

Pop